Future Church

The Accidental Birth of a Movement | with Mattias Demaerel

Summary
In this episode of the FutureChurch podcast, Anthony Delaney engages with Mattias Demaerel, who shares his transformative journey in disciple making. They discuss the inception of a disciple making movement, the structure and impact of the Recruits program, and the importance of relationships in discipleship. Mattias emphasizes the need for a multiplication mindset over a growth mindset, highlighting the significance of finding 'persons of peace' for effective evangelism. The conversation also touches on the Kingdom of God, the role of signs and wonders, and the relational nature of discipleship.
 
Takeaways
Disciple making can start accidentally through genuine relationships.
Personal transformation is crucial for effective discipleship.
A disciple making movement requires a multiplication mindset.
Finding a 'person of peace' is essential for evangelism.
Discipleship is highly relational and cannot be done in isolation.
The Kingdom of God should be central to our mission.
Multiplication requires sacrifice and commitment.
Curriculum in discipleship should be simple yet profound.
The church must focus on sending rather than just gathering.
Apostolic mission is about empowering others to reach their networks.
 
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Mattias Demaerel and Recruits01:44 Mattias's Journey to Faith and Discipleship04:58 The Impact of Discipleship Training School (DTS)10:22 The Birth of a Disciple-Making Movement15:44 The Need for Sustainable Discipleship20:57 The Recruits Program and Its Evolution26:14 Curriculum and Structure of the Recruits Program31:31 The Importance of Multiplication in Discipleship36:59 The Essence of Apprenticeship in Discipleship38:05 The Role of Relationships in Discipleship39:00 Creating a Disciple-Making Ecosystem40:35 The Importance of Relational Discipleship42:21 The Need for Intentional Spiritual Formation43:29 Developing Resources for Discipleship46:13 The Evolution of the Movement: From Men to All49:54 Apostolism vs. Evangelism in Modern Context53:04 The Power of Multiplication in Discipleship01:01:09 Starting the Journey of Discipleship

From Gathering Crowds To Coaching Disciples with Gareth Morgan of Everyday Champions

In this episode Gareth shares his journey in church leadership, discussing his early experiences, challenges, and the evolution of his approach to leading a church how understanding our call to release God’s purpose in people has led to him creating environments for personal growth for all as disciples - shifting from large gatherings to more intimate, accountable groups where we coach and ask questions more than give answers.
 
Church Leadership Journeys and Challenges
Gareth shared his early passion for leading a church, starting at age 13, and how he became a senior leader at 22. He also talked about the challenges and opportunities that came with leading a church, including a significant shift in vision around 2006-2007, which led to building a new church on a business park. Gareth then discusses his journey of discovery, exploring how to unlock the potential of a church in a society that seemed to have turned its back on it. This led to the creation of a multi-site model with several locations. Gareth then further reflected on the potential that still remained to be tapped into. 
 
 
Gareth's Leadership Journey and Bible College
Anthony and Gareth discussed Gareth's transition into a senior leadership position and his experiences with his father and Bible college. Gareth noted that the practical application of his learning was crucial, and that the apprenticeship model was integral to his development. Gareth also expressed his appreciation for working with his father, highlighting the positive aspects of their collaboration. 
 
 
Leadership and Change Management Strategies
Gareth discussed his approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of understanding different perspectives and approaches. He shared his experience of working with his father and father-in-law, highlighting the need to respect and understand different generations and approaches. Gareth also touched on the challenges of leading a church through significant changes, such as selling a building and moving to a warehouse. He stressed the importance of having a clear vision and understanding the reasons behind these changes. Anthony sought Gareth's advice on how to lead people through such changes, and Gareth emphasized the need for a strong vision and understanding of the reasons behind the changes. 
 
 
Gareth's Vision for Church Growth
Gareth shared his personal experience of a moment of clarity that led him to envision a change in the church he was leading. He emphasized the importance of honoring the past while tilting towards the future and the next generation. He also discussed the transition of the church's name from its original name to "Everyday Champions" in 2006, and subsequent expansions to different locations. Anthony agreed with Gareth's points, referencing a quote from Alan Hirsch about honoring generations. 
 
 
Decentralizing Church Model for Growth
Anthony and Gareth discussed the evolution of their church's model from a traditional, geographically-based structure to a more decentralized, technology-driven approach. They acknowledged the importance of proximity of leaders in maintaining the initial model, but also recognized the need for change as they sought to reach a wider audience. Gareth shared their experience of opening a mobile coffee space in Greenwich, which allowed them to listen to and engage with people who weren't attending church. This shift in approach led to a better understanding of the questions people were asking, which differed from those addressed in the traditional model. The conversation ended with Gareth suggesting that their new model was akin to building a factory for the future, while still maintaining the existing structure. 
 
 
Purpose, Discipleship, and Human Nature
Gareth and Anthony discussed the concept of purpose and its relation to the church and individual beliefs. Gareth emphasized the importance of understanding the individual's purpose rather than fitting them into a precast mold. He also highlighted the role of discipleship in this process, suggesting that people have the answers within them but need an environment to allow these answers to emerge. Anthony raised a theological question about the fallen nature of humanity and the potential for self-deception. Gareth agreed, noting that there are competing seeds within individuals, and the goal is to create an environment where the seed of vision can grow. The conversation concluded with Gareth acknowledging that this transition is ongoing and has been a significant shift in his perspective. 
 
 
Shift to Intimate Conversations and Content
Gareth discussed the shift in their model from focusing on large crowds to smaller, more intimate groups. He emphasized the importance of one-to-one conversations in unlocking potential, citing Jesus' example. Gareth also explained their new approach, where content is digitally driven and can be accessed at any time, with groups meeting in various locations. He stressed the need for environments where people can't hide and emphasized the role of leaders in equipping the saints for works of service. Anthony agreed with Gareth's points, noting the importance of personal relationships and the exposure of hidden issues in larger crowds. 
 
 
Accountability and Coaching in Church Model
Gareth and Anthony discussed the importance of accountability and evaluation in their church model, contrasting it with the traditional "come and see" approach. They emphasized the need for individuals to set goals and seek change, with Gareth suggesting a simple ABC framework for awareness, barrier, and change. Anthony agreed, noting the need for more engaging questions in their discussions. They also discussed the role of coaching in their approach, with Gareth highlighting the importance of drawing out what's inside people rather than just pouring in information. Anthony expressed interest in Gareth's coaching methods and invited him to join a future podcast and launch event. Gareth agreed and encouraged listeners to consider the size of their vision and the potential for change. 
 
 
Legacy, Contribution, and God's Presence
Gareth challenged the participants to consider their legacy and how they can contribute positively to the world in the next 500 years. He emphasized the importance of going beyond personal interests and contributing to the greater good. Gareth also encouraged the participants to connect with him on social media platforms and to seek a deeper understanding of God. He ended the conversation with a prayer, asking for forgiveness and guidance in expanding their awareness of God's presence and purpose in their lives.

Not Beyond Reach — Why and How We Can Engage with Those Far from God (Aaron Pierce)

In this episode, we explore the origins and mission of Steiger, a radical international missionary movement that began with a punk priest in Amsterdam reaching ‘lost sheep.’
 
Steiger emphasizes the power of preaching the cross through creative and visual methods and has grown into a global movement.
 
The discussion delves into the challenges of communicating truth in a world shaped by the “Macdonaldisation of the Church” and the complex landscape of global youth culture. 
 
We tackle the confusion of identity in today’s society, exacerbated by secular humanism and the isolating mantra of “my truth,” which have contributed to a world filled with loneliness, confusion, anxiety, and brokenness.
 
Key topics include:
•Engaging a post-Christian, overcrowded context with creativity and authenticity
•Having spiritual conversations in a skeptical age
•The necessity of focusing on Jesus rather than relying on “big names”
•The Send as a means to mobilize a movement and this year’s LAUNCH event, which aims to equip and release leaders like never before
 
Inspiring stories from Oslo and Saudi Arabia illustrate how a holy discontent can fuel transformative action.
 
For more insights, download the free Living On The Edge app for great content from Aaron and Chip Ingram, who will also be speaking at LAUNCH. Liked this episode? 
Join us in person in June—book now at Launchcatalyst.org.
 
Connect deeper through https://www.steiger.org 
And thesend.uk.org 

Unleashing the Word and Spirit through the church

Church Leadership – local, national and global
Anthony and Ness discuss the challenges and opportunities of leading a church and a network of churches. Ness expressed her gratitude for being able to lead a local church and a network, as it allows her to connect with the complexities of church leadership and pass on her experiences.
 
They also touched on the importance of humility, love, and grace in navigating pastoral issues within the next generation in church.
 
 
Church Leadership Models and Adaptation
Anthony and Ness discuss the future of church leadership and models. They agreed that the church should not professionalise leadership but should instead train and invest in leadership gifts. They also discussed the importance of understanding the context and culture to which they are called.
 
Ness mentioned that Pioneer Church does not have a one-size-fits-all model, but rather adapts to the specific setting and context of each church or church plant. They also touched on the success of a bilingual model at Lighthouse Church, Anglesey. Anthony shared his positive experience visiting Lighthouse Church with his wife Zoe. 
 
 
Embracing Spiritual Gifts in Ministry
They discuss the importance of embracing the spiritual gifts in their ministry. Ness emphasised the need for a high view of the spiritual gifts, proper training, and boundaries to ensure their effective use. She also highlighted the importance of creating space for these gifts and modeling good practice. They also stressed the significance of holding a high view of Scripture and honoring God's word and expressed a growing conviction about the centrality of the Word of God in their ministry. 
 
 
Bible Reading as Discipleship Tool
Ness shared a story about a 22-year-old electrician who became a Christian after reading the King James version of the Bible. This experience inspired Ness to give away more Bibles and to encourage people to read the Bible with others. To facilitate this, they placed a QR code sticker in the front of the Bibles, directing people to a link for meeting up with someone to read the Bible together.
 
 
Preparing for the Upcoming Launch Event
Anthony and Ness discussed the upcoming LAUNCH event in June, with Ness expressing her excitement to be part of it. Anthony revealed the list of speakers, including Chip Ingram, Aaron Pierce and many others, for what they believe will be an important of gathering in preparing the church for the future.
 
Ness shared her belief that they are in a John the Baptist era, calling for the church to prepare and get ready for the coming of the King. Anthony agreed, stating that this is a year of expansion and not a time to hold back. 
 
 
Spiritual Guidance for Younger Generations
Anthony and Ness discussed the need for spiritual guidance and mentorship for the younger generation, particularly Gen. Z. Ness emphasized the importance of creating community and providing practical skills, such as cooking, to help young adults navigate life's challenges. They also discussed the potential of younger leaders stepping up into leadership roles and the need for churches to serve and support their communities.
 
Ness prayed for the group, asking for trust in God's plans and guidance, and for the power of the Holy Spirit to align them with God's work. 
 
 
Upcoming Launch Event and Key Leaders
Go to Launchcatalyst.org now to book in to the gathering Anthony and Ness discussed, which will focus on the theme of the "High Impact Church".
 
LAUNCH will be held on the 9th and 10th of June in Wigan and the 12th to 13th of June in Gold Hill Baptist, Buckinghamshire.

“COP AND ROBBER” Paul Lloyd in conversation with Anthony Delaney

Paul Lloyd with his wife Vicky leads Victory Outreach Church in Salford and they travel globally as part of that incredible ministry.
He had a background in combat sports but after an injury in his teens he fell into depression which took him into the world of Eastend and Essex gangs, heroin addiction and crime. He talks with ex-cop Anthony about why people get addicted and how at 27 years of age he was set free by Jesus Christ after in his hour of need a prizefighter friend told him the good news.
Their time together is profoundly hopeful as Paul describes the hopelessness of atheism and scientism to change lives for good, and why “the church must not just bring a message of lifestyle change, but life exchange!” It just gets better after that bit - so cut out an hour for this fantastic, humorous episode and help us share the hope by liking, reviewing, sharing and subscribing.
Find out more at https://www.vomanchester.org.uk

Lessons for the Church from Supporting Elite Athletes. Graham Daniels and Christians in Sport.

Anthony and Graham discussed the importance of integrating faith and sports, emphasizing the need for a holistic approach to ministry that supports athletes beyond their achievements. They explored the challenges and opportunities in engaging with different cultures through sports, highlighting the transformative power of faith and the influence of Christian athletes. The conversation also touched on finding purpose, using one's gifts to serve others, and the significance of perseverance and faith in facing challenges.
 
Find out more about their work here:
https://christiansinsport.org.uk 

Jon Ferguson – How To Become A Multiplying Church: The Power Of ICNU - “I See In You.”

Jon is the co-founding pastor of Community Christian Church in Chicago where he provides leadership in new ventures. COMMUNITY has grown from a handful of people to a church with hundreds of leaders and thousands of people celebrating at locations throughout Chicagoland. Jon is also one of COMMUNITY’s Lead Teaching Pastors.
In addition, Jon led in the launch of NewThing, a church-planting movement which Ivy Church is part of, whose mission is to be a catalyst for movements of reproducing churches, he continues to lead in NewThing as one of the North American Apostolic Leaders.
He has co-authored Finding Your Way Back to God, The Big Idea and Exponential: How You and Your Friends Can Start a Missional Church Movement, with his brother Dave. He serves on the board of Exponential Conference and resides in the Lincoln Park Community of Chicago with his wife, Lisa, and their two children, Graham and Chloe.
 
Conversation includes:
It all started with a napkin! How to DREAM BIG and start small.
‘No money, no people, no clue’ – BUT GOD!
Jon’s personal journey in ministry, from preacher’s kid to leader of leaders.
NewThing’s vision and values and how you can connect with ‘friends on mission’ globally to make collaborative movements and networks for the kingdom.
NewThing’s 4 Rs: Relationships, Reproducing, Resources, Residencies.
The power of an ICNU conversation
How to develop a multiplying church.
Learning to lead as God made YOU not as traditional structures may dictate.
 
Further Connection/ links
https://www.jonferguson.org/about-jon/
https://newthing.org
https://exponential.org
https://www.launchcatalyst.org

Luke Greenwood – Reaching and Sending the Global Youth Culture.

Luke Greenwood is passionate about evangelism and discipleship among alternative scenes of the Global Youth Culture. He lives in Wrocław, Poland with his wife Ania and two children.
As Steiger Europe Director, Luke’s vision is to see Jesus proclaimed to young people all over the continent, and to establish dynamic, long-term City Teams in key urban centres, that reach and equip the Global Youth Culture through creative evangelism, ongoing discipleship, and local church partnership. He is author of Global Youth Culture: The Spiritual Hunger of the Largest Unreached Culture Today.
 
How Youtube etc is defining the global youth culture.
Mindset / lies of the Global youth culture.
Openness to spirituality, rejection of institution.
How Steiger’s ‘Edgy’ street evangelism is both challenging and connecting.
How to train, embolden and equip youth to be ready to live out their faith in teams, share the gospel and be missionaries in their city.
Why ‘relevance’ is not the right target.
The Send – a call to gather and send young people out and Steiger’s part in providing missional and evangelistic opportunities in partnership as part of that in key locations.
 
Links for further connection – https://www.steiger.org https://www.thesend.uk https://steiger.org/speaker-lukegreenwood https://www.launchcatalyst.org